There need be no war where enlightened justice controls the policies of a society, both intra- and interracially. But you will have ceaseless war where you inflame one side with groundless expectations and imaginary wrongs while you plunder the other side in the process. You will likewise have ceaseless war where the top plunders the bottom. '' - Carleton Putnam
Civil War in Sweden? At Gates of Vienna, Fjordman ponders whether civil war in Sweden is likely. He cites a poll from the Aftonbladet newspaper:
During an online poll at the national newspaper Aftonbladet, almost half of the readers voted “yes” to a question of whether a civil war is possible in Sweden.
I know online polls don’t always reflect the public opinion, but still… This is in a country where there is virtually zero debate about mass immigration, which continues at full speed.''
He opines that he doesn't think civil war in Sweden is possible simply because the population shows little sign of fighting back.
The long and convoluted discussion thread which follows contains, unfortunately, little discussion of Fjordman's article and goes off in other directions, involving personalities. However some commenters reckon America might break down into some kind of civil war. We do, after all, have a more severely divided society than at any time during our history. Invariably when I say this, someone will take exception, saying that during the War Between the States, we were far more divided than we are now. I beg to differ, although there is no way I can definitively 'prove' that; it's just my considered opinion. We haven't reached the point of open violence between the factions and groups, but I believe there is more mutual antipathy now than there was during the WBTS. I am always taken aback by the naked hatred shown by many on the left towards all who don't share their ideology. And in addition to that, we have the virulent racial hatred, which for the most part is directed towards the White majority, and not from the White majority towards others. And this open animus is beginning to provoke a like response from more people among the majority -- which may be the intention of our 'elites'; perhaps they allow and encourage the hatred towards us, and the constant accusations and recriminations as a deliberate provocation. If this sounds paranoid, I'm not the only one to have expressed this thought. It's been suggested by a number of people that open conflict is possibly desired by the ruling classes so as to justify some kind of crackdown and elimination of our remaining liberties.
And if this is not the intention of our 'leaders', then they are certainly guilty of extreme dereliction of their responsibilities in recklessly allowing mass uncontrolled 'immigration' which is in actuality an invasion albeit by apparent noncombatants. This is true in all Western countries. Either our leaders are feckless and useless at doing their primary job of defending us against foreign invasion, or they are actively promoting an invasion. Are they merely ineffectual or are they hostile towards their own constituents? Either way they are greatly at fault.
On the Gates of Vienna thread, someone mentions the likelihood of 'red state-blue state' civil war, and I don't think this is likely. First of all, with the invasion in progress, there will be few 'red states' left in a very short time; all states will likely be dominated by a combination of liberals and their minority clients. 'Red state' people are often said to have a higher birth rate, but it hardly seems that it could balance out the effects of the ongoing invasion by illegal (and legal) immigrants and their offspring.
I think the 'red state-blue state' divide is just something that the party faithful like to fall back on as an explanation because they shy away from seeing a racial/ethnic divide in our country. To them, it's always about 'Democrats vs. Republicans' or 'liberals vs. conservatives.' For example the Limbaugh listeners and the Freepers focus almost exclusively on political parties as the be-all and the end-all. Not so long ago, when a news item was published about 'red states' gaining population, the Freepers were rejoicing that this meant Republican domination for the foreseeable future. At the time I cautioned that most of the population increase was immigration-driven, and thus would not portend well for the GOP, but they would have none of it; after all, those hard-working Hispanics would vote Republican in a few years. 'W' and Ken Mehlman had said so, after all.
No, the divide will be increasingly along ethnic and racial lines. And the main conflict between Whites in this country will be over the racial issue, as the liberal/'progressive' types side with the minority groups, whether angry blacks or importunate immigrants with complaints and demands. And these latter groups will fall to squabbling between themselves as who gets the lion's share of the spoils.
I would have to echo what Fjordman said, though, about Sweden. It also applies here. Everybody else has in effect already declared war on us, the historic majority Americans. It's we who are in denial, for the most part, about it. A certain number of us deny that there is any ongoing war against us; it's all just poor minorities trying to get their piece of the pie, and why should we object to that? And then there are those who are vaguely troubled by what they see and hear, but they push their concerns deep down and refuse to acknowledge any misgivings or fears, preferring to distract themselves. Then there are those who hate their fellow White Americans and even hate their forebears, and these, of course, openly side with any enemy of America. Last, there are those of us who see clearly what is going on and openly discuss it. I don't know what percentage of our people we make up; undoubtedly we are outnumbered by the hostiles and the 'don't-know-don't-cares'. But then again, our Founding Fathers were outnumbered by similar factions in their day -- although they did not have a monstrous establishment in opposition to them, as we have.
Many people who see, hear, and acknowledge what is going on are afraid of the consequences of being more forthright and activist. They fear (rightly) for their jobs and careers, they fear loss of social status, they fear 'hate mail' and threats if they take a public stand. Some people are simply not in a position for whatever reason to take a public and activist stance, just as some people in the old Eastern Bloc countries could not. Another factor may be that the 'aware' among us, the ones who are most likely to oppose what is going on and be willing to defend their kin and homes are not necessarily the youngest and strongest. It's my perception that the younger generations are more likely to be found on the 'other' side, having ingested the multicultural kool-aid. It's not for nothing that demagogues and subverters always target the young with their propaganda and incitements.
Some of us have a kind of apocalyptic belief that if things reach an intolerable state, then people will be roused to defend themselves and their way of life and their brethren. I think this is rather a rather thin straw at which to grasp. We don't know that in the case of some kind of worst case scenario people would suddenly discover the old American fighting spirit. Economic disaster, open conflict and violence, might simply cause many people to weaken and give up. History shows us that people do not always rise to the occasion in extreme circumstances; some people will instead behave in a selfish and opportunistic way when things break down. I think it's unwise to hope that catastrophe will occur and 'wake people up.'
I would like to have faith that our better instincts would kick in, but I am not sure that would happen, unless there are more Americans who recover not only the fighting spirit but the strong sense of kin loyalty and brotherly affinity that characterized our ancestors at their best.
How do we stimulate that? How do we work to build our people up to prepare them for any coming troubles? While not being an alarmist, I believe that such troubles are possible, although they may be longer in coming, depending on what the near future holds. I'm not of the school of thought which believes that we ought to hasten any such day of reckoning as a way of 'waking people up.' I think that's tempting fate.
Instead I think we have to do all within our power to stave off this process of decay and decline, and stand against all the processes which are tearing old America apart at the seams. But most importantly, we need to try to re-create and to strengthen the ties and the bonds which held old America together. And we do that mostly in our everyday lives, with the people around us, the communities and regions in which we live. We can do that somewhat on the Internet, too; we can discuss and exhort and encourage one another and find some moral support and spiritual strength.
On this Independence Day, we should take the occasion to renew our loyalties to our land and our people and to the spirit of our ancestors, who gave so much of their blood and toil to create this country of ours.
